Inspirational interview with David Ramos on the Old Testament and Bible - "There's this inherent hope that after suffering, there is an "after suffering." Sometimes we don't always believe that, especially when we're in the midst of it. That we can't peek our head above the horizon, but when we do, and we remember there was a "before" this pain, and there will be an after, that is another place where we can find power." on Jump Start Your Joy podcast
